1/8/2010 9:04 AM
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Hi there all. I havent posted in a while but I have been reading all of your posts. It is so exciting to be able to read about all of you guys and what you are dealing with. I sometimes read your post and am thinking the same thing. I will be going thru my first IVF in February. My husband and I go in on the 20th of this month for the mock drill and learning about all of the medicines. It seems like it is taking so long to get here. I am excited and very nervous at the same time about doing this. I read your post about all of the good things and some of the troubles things. I hate the waiting part too and I guess we will have more of that to come with finding out if it will work and all. I hated waited when I did each IUI also. Well I guess it is all worth it in the end.
Good luck to everyone out there in each of your situations. I am hoping for the best for everyone!!
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1/8/2010 8:21 AM
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Hi everyone! Sorry I haven't been in touch....I lost my interntet connection yesterday.
Anyway, my second beta is 358...which more than doubled from the first!! So, my third will be next Wednesday. Then my ultrasound is 2 weeks after that. All this waiting is driving me crazy!!
I've been having some very mild, occasional leg cramps. I hope that is normal. Other than that I feel OK, but I'm still so nervous! Will keep you updated!!
I wish everyone lot's of luck!!
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1/8/2010 5:22 AM
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Ladybug...forgot to mention..couldn't convert to IUI as I had a tubal ligation in 1997..hence my infertility problem. Want to do egg donation so I can at least carry our baby..I have carried three before and my SO has been thoroughly tested and has no issues...was thinking about getting some info from University as I understand Cleveland Clinic doesn't have an egg donor program...not sure what that means but I have appt with RE 1-29 to get more information.
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1/8/2010 5:16 AM
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Hey everyone...I sure can relate to not sleeping. I'm feeling so restless tonight. We are sure we want to move forward with an egg donor...no reservations about genetics or it not being mine biologically. I am really just worried that I'm not being realistic about finances. There is so much info. online. It is kinda overwhelming!! Can anyone give me a ballpark about what to expect? Would it all be due at once? I have been reading alot about the donors compensation, their medical costs, etc. I have a box full of meds here from when I thought I would have a transfer...PIO shots,patches,needles,etc. Does anyone have an opinion on embryo adoption vs. egg donor? With adoption, it wouldn't be connected to us biologically and it would be FET which would decrease the chances of pregnancy but it seems less expensive from what I've read.
Toni...all I can say is WOW!!! SOOOO happy for you!
Hang in there everyone...thinking of all of you and sending dust your way!!
Ladybug...have you thought anymore about that shared cycle..I still think that may be my best bet!!
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1/8/2010 3:56 AM
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Hi Ladies --
Having a sleepless night and my cats are trying to figure out what is wrong w/ me... (as I). Why fight it, right.
Having lots of painful cramps today and trying not to freakout about it. I'm sure it's natural during the first trimester, however this is the first I felt it since I first found out I was preg. I wish it was next Friday already so that I can have my first PN appt. Growing anxious to know how things are progressing w/ me. Nerving.
Wannabe, I can't believe the stress they put you through w/ tech mis reading your cervix reading. Thank goodness someone else more competent came in and did a second reading....and yes, it does sound like it made for an exhausting day! I am glad to hear that all is track! Whew!
Addis, sorry you are having some rough days. Thanks for sharing the link on prolactin. As for taking herbals...I can see where there might be some concern, however I sometimes feel that doctors are anti on "all natural" because it does not benefit their pockets. Alternative Med is typically not covered under insurance yet, it somehow helps us in mysterious ways. A doctor would rather inject you with a cortisone shot vs one going to a chiropractor for a simple adjustment. I'd like to think we know what is best for our own bodies and we know ourselves better than a practicing physician...follow your heart. Acupuncture will do you more good than harm!
Toni, WOW, amazing numbers! Congrats! That is a wonderful story about you DE and how it all worked out. Gives hope when in doubt....and waiting 11 years for your little dream come true gives true faith and light...all good things come to those who wait!
Hoping2b - I can relate to what anxiety you are going through. I just went through it at 6 wks and not having a heartbeat and had to wait another week before I went in for another u/s. It felt like a lifetime. I cried for 2 days before I came to my senses. My neighbor said to me (as Wannabe did too), you are still pregnant and you love this baby. She was right! It doesn't get any more clear than that. As for the yoke, that still all perplexes me. When I went in the first time and there was no heartbeat, I was told the sack was larger than she would have liked to have seen it and then when I went in a wk later and actually saw the heartbeat, she said she couldn't find the yoke sack and acted as if there was nothing to be concerned about. One minute the flag is up and waving and the next its down. It's no wonder we all are emotional recks most of the time.
As for the heartbeat number... mine was measured at 121 and they said that was normal and when I called for my 1st PN appt. and they asked what the # was, they seemed to be pleased with it too... so I wouldn't worry about it. You have a beat, you are pregnant and your in gestation could be off a little from what the doctors seem to think.
I'd also like to say, that is an excellent point with the DE and that half is actually him vs adoption.
Sorry to get personal here, but you mentioned inflamed sperm...I've never heard of this. What causes that? and does it go away?
Well girls, its going on 4 am and hubby's alarm clock will be going off in an hour...I need to try and get some shut eye before I have to get up and make him breakfast.
Sweet Blessings to all!
Mo
PS...I know I mentioned asking if any of you wanted to hook up on FB. If so, here is my link. Also, note, I do not talk about any of this stuff on FB...some things are meant to be personal and private and I would like to respect that of my fellow sisters just the same.
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#/profile.php?ref=name&id=1117029993
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1/7/2010 8:17 PM
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Hello Sisters.
I am so surprised that my Beta was so high but we did transfer 2 embies and I am 11 days post transfer. But my RE said we only had a 30% chance of having twins. Go figure !!! When I used my eggs we never even made it this far.
DH is so scared for my health, he has heard stories of women dying or going into deep depressions after taking all these fertility drugs. He is just a natural worrier. But he is so sweet and so attentive. He has proven that he loves me very very much, and my love for him has grown for his sacrifice. But I still can't talk about these things with him. It is like he zones out!!!!!
Thanks Wannabe for all your help I could have not made it with out your help as well. All the guidance and the advise is so so helpful when we decided to us DE. Now I go back on Monday for Beta 2 and my P4. Right now my Progesterone is 25 and all the numbers looked great said the Nurse.
What made this so nice as well is that my IVF nurse called and the first words out of her mouth were "I have been waiting so long to make this call to you... YOU ARE PREGNANT!!!! She said all the nurses were cheering when the numbers came in. Of course I starting crying and she kept asking if I was okay because I was balling so much!!!!
I am an emotional person to begin with.
God is good ladies it has been 11 years 3 miscarriages and thousands of doses of medication, since we started this journey and I know it has just begun. But I know God will not let us down. Keep the faith, keep praying, and stay positive.
Snowie, Ladybug, Addis,Cristeen, Ash42 I refuse to leave you sisters behind!!! The prayers will continue, because I know that your blessings are due soon.
I truly love you all for your support.
Toni.
Love,
Toni
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1/7/2010 5:22 PM
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Toni-----CONGRATULATIONS to you and your hubby! I am so thrilled for you and glad that you decided to take the DE road and have such wonderful success. 566 is a huge number! How many days past transfer are you? Welcome to mommyhood!
Hoping2...try not to be too discouraged by your u/s. My first u/s was at 6 weeks 5 days. Baby A measured 6wk4days and Baby B was 6wk3days. Hearbeats were 125 & 127 respectively....much lower than the next u/s at 8+ weeks when they jumped up to 179 beats. My RE did not make a big deal out of the measurement or the heartbeats per minute saying that they all just start out a little differently at their own pace. I am sorry that you only saw 1 yolk sac, but thankfully, you saw the heartbeat of one baby. Try to stay positive----you are, afterall, still very much pregnant!
Ladybug, good luck with your DH regarding DE, adoption, etc. It is a hugely personal decision. I find it interesting how everyone reacts so differently to the idea, even spouses. Mine was onboard before I was. I think after fighting & struggling with IVF to have our own children, it justs takes a while for some to warm up to the idea that God may have another path for you. As I have said before, I personally truly believe that God gives each of us the baby(s) that we have always been meant to have...sometimes it is just not the conventional way, but he knows what souls we need and which need us. Good luck to you!
Talk with you all soon!
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1/7/2010 1:57 PM
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Toni - Congrates on such a great number.
Ladybug - My SO was against donor egg (and for adoption) at first. Our clinic makes all couple wanting to use donor see a therapist for one session to discuss. He was willing to do that and basically told the therapist, at first, that he really wasn't on board; however, after we spoke with her and he was able to express his concerns, he started to change his mind. It took a while, but he came around. I'm not going to lie, he didn't make it easy. I was on board much sooner than he was. The strange thing now is, that he is against adoption. After my m/c in Oct. I started looking into adoption (even though we has 6 embryos on ice) and all of sudden he is against that. This worries me. I am, of course, hoping that the baby I am carrying shapes up and starts growing and that everything will be fine, BUT if this doesn't work, my doc has already mentioned that this could be an embryo thing (and not something wrong with me). Since I used a donor, who was successful with two other couples, it kind of narrows the field to it being a problem with my SO's sperm. When he was tested (way back when), they did mention that his sperm was inflamed, but didn't seem concerned. I am really hoping that this is not the reason why I have been having trouble. Obviously if this is the case, then our only recourse is adoption. There is no way my SO would let me use a sperm donor (I know this for sure). My advice is seeing if you and your husband can talk with someone. It really helps and I bet he will come around. After all the baby will still be genetically connected to him and isn't that better than having a baby that has no genetic connection what-so-ever?
So, I woke up very depressed this morning and had to drag myself to work. I can't seem to shake this. I really want to think positive, but it seems like nothing on this journey has been easy (as you all know). My problem is that I know how hard it is to get over a m/c (emotionally) and I keep thinking to myself how I don't want to go through that again for the third time. I forgot yesterday to tell you what happened when my SO asked is we could start having sex again. My doc basically explained it was an individual choice and left it up to us; however, I asked him about my prometrium inserts and if having sex could interfere with that. He said it could dilute the progesterone. So, I said to my SO we will not be doing anything until we come back next Thursday. He actually thinks I am going to change my mind. I don't want to think that I did anything to mess with the baby's growth, but he just doesn't get it. He is acting like a child who can't have the toy he wants. What is wrong with men? As I stated on my last post, I am so happy to have you ladies. Thanks for letting me vent.
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1/7/2010 1:25 PM
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HELLO SISTERS ,
Bythe Grace of GOD - BETA 566!!!!!!
I can't even type I am shaking !!!!!!!
I will post later
Toni
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1/6/2010 10:42 PM
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Toni - thank you so much for the info on shared cycles. It is very helpful. I'm going to suggest this to my husband. I suggested the DE to my husband the other day and he was like, no. But adoption has come up in conversation before... so why would he be willing to adopt and not do DE? I know this is all overwhelming for him. I will have to give him time to think about things perhaps.
Good night sisters.
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1/6/2010 9:24 PM
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hoping... I would not worry about the measure if I were you I would just enjoy having seen the heartbeat. The science is not exact you know that.
I for one enjoy your post so vent away my friend. I am glad that the heart beat was there and I know I will be an auntie again.
Wannabemommy- I am so happy to hear about the two peanuts!!!!! I hate that sometimes people do not take care when doing their jobs, and realize how important it is to be exact on certain things.
I was doing some reading and someone was asking about a shared cycle. When I went to get information about the donor pool at my RE I found out that there was a young lady that had a 16 month old and she had the same tubal issues that I had abut she was much younger and could not pay for the IVF for a 2nd baby on her own.
So we shared the costs of the IVF and she split her eggs with me. She had produced 22 I got 11 and she got 11.
It worked out well because I had a lot of meds left over and gave them all to her to use. so that cut down our costs even more. What made this option the best for us was that she was a vested donor so I could count on her taking her meds on time and keeping her appointments. My clinic has a donor pool and she was my best match. I read on another sites some horror stories about delayed starts, missed appointments and just bad vibes from some paid donors. So I am happy to have found my angel she gave me the best Christmas gift ever.
Well I will post as soon as I know.
Love
Toni.
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1/6/2010 8:38 PM
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Wannabe - glad to hear all is well. I'm sooooooooo happy for you and those bouncing baby boys growing inside of you. Awesome!
Hoping2 - don't give up yet, the dr's don't know exactly when implantation takes place, couldn't that account for a few days off? I think someone on this forum wrote that it can take 5 - 12 days for implantation. Hang in there. And we are here if you need to vent, complain or state your frustrations, etc. And yeah, the guys just don't totally get it... I know what you mean. Sometimes they are clueless as to this whole process. It is frustrating.
Addis - so sorry that AF visited. Don't give up. We are here for support.
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1/6/2010 8:23 PM
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Toni - Thank you for the support. I will be prayer for the BFP tomorrow. That tired feeling could be a good sign.
Wannabe - How exciting for you. I am so glad that everything is looking good with your boys.
Well... I just got back from the doc's office and the news was not that great. The doc saw two sacks, but one didn't even have a yolk in it. This was not really a surprise, but sad none-the-less. The second sack had a baby and we saw a heartbeat; however, I am supposed to be 6 weeks 5 days along and the sack was only measuring 6 weeks (not a good sign). On top of that the doc said the heartbeat was not beating as fast as it should be at this point. Now I have to wait another week and go back next Thursday. The doctor is hoping for big changes when he sees me next week. Of course I left the office a little defeated. I was hoping for really positive news. My SO doesn't get it. He thinks it’s perfectly fine that my sack is only 6 weeks. He doesn't understand that these doctors are measuring almost up to the minute. Geez... six weeks, 5 days is almost 7 week and I am only measuring at 6 weeks. Do the math!! I have decided to not share my anxiety with him; it will only cause us to argue, so ladies you get to hear it from me. Thank goodness I have you all. Since I am home earlier than usual, we are going to head out to dinner. I'm definitely going for something healthy. One last thing... the doc did say that even if I worry and have anxiety that it will not have any bearing on the outcome.
I am hoping for good beta numbers for all and sending prayers and baby dust your way.
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1/6/2010 8:15 PM
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Hello Sisters!!!
Happy New Year and I am so sorry I have not been on the post for some time now.
Welcome to all new ladies who joined and congrats on the ones who got pregnant and sorry to hear the others who didn't make thru their cycle. It is a journey and by the grace of God we get thru it and get our dream.
It was sad day for me this new year's eve -- I got a very heavy bleeding delayed period so i was like well no positive on my own..
I contacted my doctor for testing with day 3 of cycle and they are requesting further blood work for something called Prolactin any idea on it. From my online search I got the following. http://www.drmalpani.com/prolactin.htm
It state it can be caused by stress as well. I started on my BCP and I alread notice the change in moods and bloating that happened to me. I think I should go back to my Acupenture to relief this...but my Endicoronlogy doesn't recommend me taking the herbal stuff that he gives me as it isn't know the sid effects on the body... I told her it is an equation that might work or not and ppl try things. I live in East coast MD area and I found a doctor in VA area searching online who is proposing giving treatment thru natural medications or some sort.. I have to looka it up and call to see what is their sucess rates...I will post info then just wanted to see if any you ladies have heard of it.
Good luck for the ladies who are waiting for their results and u/s. And for the ones who are positive don't worry and stress yourself enjoy it..
Snowie - I am sending you an email to get your address to mail you the Follisum and micor-Lupron that I have let me know if you need the supplies that goes with them...
I will try to caught up with all of you soon.
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1/6/2010 8:14 PM
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Wannaba-that is wonderful news! You give us all hope. I am so happy for you. Congratulations!!! I can't wait to see my babies moving around.
Toni and Hoping, good luck tomorrow. Let us know how things go! I'll be thinking and praying for you both.
Thanks for the advice on not feeling too many symptoms. That makes me feel better! I don't know what I would do without you girls.
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1/6/2010 7:54 PM
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Hi girls, Just wanted to wish Toni & Hoping2 the very best of luck tomorrow. Will be eager to hear how both of your appointments go! Baby dust, baby dust!
I am doing great and am 22 weeks today. Had the full autonomy scan yesterday and it was very amazing. So far everything that they can see looks normal so very thrilled & blessed. Go back in 2 weeks for another u/s to check a few places they couldn't see but not worrying. Both babies doing really well. Baby A is now 15 ounces and Baby B is 16 ounces so both right at 1 pound! Both were really busy moving the entire time, putting their little hands up to their faces, bouncing around. Could see their cute little hands and feet! Had a moment of nervousness. The u/s tech read that my cervix had gone from 4.2 CM to 2.4 CM. Not good since our cervix is the only muscle that really holds the babies in there. Dr. talked to me about bedrest, hospitalization, changing to a specialist, etc. Stayed calm and sent me upstairs to the specialist office for another u/s to measure my cervix. Turns out the first tech read it wrong....all is well at 3.9 CM! Crazy day...was there for 5 hours and just exhausted by the time we got home. All worth it though to know everyone is healthy & well. Feet & hands very swollen...having a hard time with shoes. Blood pressure was great at 100/66 so OB said just to stay off my feet as much as possible and that it's just part of the fun of having twins!
Am always thinking about and praying for each of you. Can't wait to hear the latest tomorrow!
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1/6/2010 2:34 PM
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hoping2Bmommy
I am sitting here like I was in the DR. office with you. Can't they just move up your appointment already, I am anxious to hear your news since we are both getting results this week.
Toni
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1/6/2010 2:09 PM
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Hello Sisters!!!
Happy New Year and I am so sorry I have not been on to visit with you all. I went back to work and I have been so tried when I get home I have been taking my shot and my meds and going to sleep.
Well tomorrow is the big day. I go in for my Beta 11 days post ET. I am so emotionally all over the place. I am being optimistic and my feeling is there is something cooking in there. We transferred two 5 day blasts so???????
Please be well and say a pray for me I will not know my numbers until late tomorrow.
I will try to caught up with all of you soon.
Love always
Toni.
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1/6/2010 1:52 PM
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Mablackie - I think you have an interesting theory. We IVF ladies do put our bodies through a lot and being pregnant is probably a "rest" for our bodies. I have never heard anyone say "the sicker or more tired you are the healthier your baby". When I was 22 I was pregnant and had no symptoms. I didn't even find out I was pregnant until I was nearly 3 months along. My son is now 16 and perfectly healthy (smart too). I was thinking my lack of symptoms (way back when) was because I was so young, but possibly my body (as yours) just handles pregnancy really well. I understand the people not knowing and wanting to scream at them. I had a coworker (who is due in February) mention that it took so long for her to get pregnant; her husband and her tried for 3 whole months before it happened. I wanted to jump across the table and choke her (isn't that terrible).
Summer - My fingers are crossed for you. I have faith that your number will come back higher. Can't wait to hear what it is.
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1/6/2010 12:24 PM
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Hi everyone.
Just had my second beta test this morning...hopefully the number will be higher. My stomach feels a little off at times, so I'm hoping that's a good sign, but I don't want to count all my chickens before they hatch!
I am glad to hear that ectopic pregnancy is rare...I haven't felt any shoulder pain, hopefully another good sign.
I agree....I think with all the meds we take for IVF your whole system is thrown off!!
Will keep you posted!
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1/6/2010 11:05 AM
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Hi Ladies,
Hoping & other ladies, don't freak out about no symptoms. I know it's hard, but don't! I am 9 weeks with twins and feel very little. I am at my sales meeting and there are so many pregnant girls here. All of them are saying how sick they have been and how tired they are. I don't feel like they do at all. It scares the crap out of me!!!! Is everything all right? I don't go in to see my OB for my 10 week appoitnment for another 6 days.
I wonder if many of us IVF ladies don't have many symptoms b/c after all the shots and crap we've been though, we feel better being off Gonal-F and all of the other meds, even pregnant, then most girls. Most girls have no clue what it's like to take months and months of fertility drugs and how much they mess up our bodies. So pregnancy completely messes with them more then us? What do you think?
I'm so tired to hearing "the sicker you are the healthier the baby" or "if you are exhausted, then that means your baby is good". What if you are not? Does that mean our babies are not healthy? My mother in law (who is a retired nurse) says that if you are exhausted then everything is going well. So if I'm not exhausted then everything is not going well?
No one here knows I"m pregnant, but I want to scream at them all and tell them that just because I don't feel horrible, everything is still all right. Then I start to doubt myself, which sucks!
Congrats to the new pregnat girls! I'm so happy for you!
Thanks for everyone's support.
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1/5/2010 10:16 PM
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hop - Your cards sound very cute. I will definitely have to jump up on the website and check it out. The way I calculate, we cannot tell anyone about our pregnancy until almost the end of February. What's the next holiday after that? Shall I send St. Patrick’s Day cards - hehehehe. I am part Irish, so I guess it would be appropriate - hehehehe.
I appreciate your understanding of my craziness. I am trying to be positive, but so worried about getting my heart broken. Glad to hear that you are feeling well now. I have had nothing really, which is why it is so hard for me to believe that everything is progressing correctly. The only thing I am noticing is that I feel floaty sometimes (almost buzzed), but that’s all. I am not over tired, no sore boobs - nothing.
Ash - 13 follicles, that is awesome. I could never make more than 3. Good luck on Thursday. Keep us posted on the progress.
Movan - Thanks for thinking of me. I have tried to keep calm the last couple of days. It really helped to hear my HCG was over 10,000 yesterday. Besides going to the doctor are you doing anything special for your b-day?
Snowie - How are you doing? Did you take Menopur? I have some vials of that left. I also had some Bravelle, but it expired already. I am happy to send you the Menopur if you can use it.
Cristeen - How are you feeling today? How's the research on donors going?
I will be trying to stay positive and can't wait to get to 3:30 tomorrow. Well wishes, baby dust, and big prayers to all.
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1/5/2010 9:49 PM
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Cristeen7 - Sorry, I think I got you and Summer confused in my last couple postings. I'm sorry your cycle was cancelled. Couldn't they flip it to an IUI? That's what they did for my 2nd IVF attempt. I only had 3 follies.
Summer - Congrats on being pregnant! How wonderful and what a way to start the New Year.
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1/5/2010 9:08 PM
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movan- sent you an email with a link to my FB page.... :0)
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1/5/2010 6:39 PM
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Hi Girls --
Happy New Year to Everyone!
I want to thank everyone for their thoughts on when one should start announcing. It obviously sounds like one's own personal comfort zone, but also w/in the preg guidelines of the 1st trimester as well. I'm personally going to wait until next Friday to see what they say and what all my results are before I get on the band wagon on telling family and friends. When I do get the green light I have thought about sending out a personalized announcement (in addition to a few phone calls to those special people). When I was a baby, my mom took our first pair of baby shoes and had them copper coated or something of that material and had them preserved, so I thought about taking a picture of my baby shoes and making cards to send out. A bit of a project, but it will be worth it.
Smiles, good idea using Facebook. I thought about it and will probably make some sort of "shocking" announcement in the weeks to come.
Speaking of FB...if any of you ladies are on it and want to hook up and be friends on there, let me know...sometimes its nice to put a face w/ a name and make things a bit more personal. It's purely all up to you.
Ladybug, it's ok to babble and cry your eyes out and for you to want to come home early on NYE was perfectly ok too. You were a trooper in my mind to get out for a bit in the first place.
Hoping2b - Good luck tomorrow. I've been thinking of you all week. Can't wait to hear how everything goes. I agree w/ Wannabe...try to relax...it will do you, your SO and your baby wonders! Oh, btw, you asked when my b-day is... it's 1/15. I'm a Capicorn...a stubborn ol' goat! I'll be 41 next week and go for my 10 wk ckup.
Mablackie -- You touched based a bit on risk factors and hearing/seeing a heartbeat. I think it all depends on the woman, race and age. For me, they told me at age 40, I was 30-35% risk for a m/c before the u/s and once we saw the heartbeat, my number dropped to 10-15%. I was told it will drop again after the 1st trimester, but I was not given that % number.
Ash, I got hot flashes about an hour after I got my injections when I had the IVF, but at that time I was taking Menapur and Gonal F. As for night sweats, I don't recall if I had them or not, I do know that when I was in my 30's (before all this stuff), I had nightsweats. I assumed I was physically going through another change in my life.
Cristeen, sorry to hear your news. How are you holding up? Sounds like you, Snowie and a few others are in the same boat w/ the out of pocket expenses. I agree w/ Mablackie about checking w/ your doctor about getting a discount, seeing if meds can be donated to you and check all your options w/ medical insurance comapanies. I too live in MA and lucky for me that my hubby's insurance is good and covered a great portion of the expenses so far (although it was also dependent on all my tests, blood work, etc and that they were met w/in the insurance guidelines). It's a blessing in disguise as since we moved out here, I have been unable to get a job and our finances are super tight as well w/ one income. Hang in there and keep the faith!
Wannabe...wow, such exciting news. I can't wait to hear all about your full body scan. How are you feeling? How's the move going?
Summer, welcome and congrats on great beta numbers. Continue to keep us posted!
Well Ladies, I'm trying to think if I did something silly or stupid this week, but I can't think of a thing... but the week is not over yet either...
Wishing everyone good health, strength, & hope. Baby Sprinkles to all!
Mo
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1/5/2010 5:52 PM
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Congrats Summer, great #!
Glad to hear things are going well with you also Hop... I hope it rubs off on the rest of us.
Ladybug, insurance should cover the genetic testing. I have had a lot of genetic testing over the last few years and I haven't had an insurance company deny me yet. Knock on wood. They would do the testing to explain why I was miscarrying, etc, but wouldn't pay for the IVF to prevent it. I could get pregnant on my own, naturally, but not with a healthy viable pregnancy. That's why we are doing the IVF with PGD. Our last insurance company would even pay for the PGD, but not the IVF, and you can't do PGD without IVF. Insurance is crazy! I try not to think about the $ part of it, it makes me crazy too!
I had an US and blood work this morning. Adding ganarelix tonight. About 13 follicles I think. Estrogen was a little high, so I'm not increasing my follistim. I go back on Thursday, hoping, praying, and wishing for good news!
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1/5/2010 3:45 PM
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Cristeen - So sorry to hear about your news, try to keep your head up lady. You're in my prayers.
Summer - Congrats on your good news! My first beta was around 120 and I'm currently 12 weeks along!
Hoping2B - I'm sure you are just stressing over nothing but I totally understand your worries. Even at 12 weeks I still get freaked out a little. I spotted a little at 7 weeks and thought for sure that I was miscarrying, only to get an ultrasound the next day to hear the best sound ever, the heartbeat! At our OB u/s last week everything looked great. We could see the heartbeat and his/her little arms and legs were moving all over the place. Tomorrow is actually my last day of the progesterone suppository, and I'm free of all meds! I'm feeling great now, but from weeks 4-10 I had mild cramping and nausea in the mornings and in the evenings around dinner time. Certain smells such as red meat and strong perfume still make me sick though. Good luck with everything and continue to keep us posted!
All - we actually did the "Happy New Year" cards that are being delivered this week. I've had them since 10 weeks but decided to wait to send them out. We put a pic of my husband and I, our two dogs, and a pic of the 8 week u/s. I also went to familylabels.com and made return labels with my husband, myself, baby, and our two dogs on them. I would seriously recommend checking it out, so much fun!!!
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1/5/2010 3:38 PM
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Summer - Congrates on your BFP. Weird that the nurse would talk to you about ectopic. I think it is really rare for an ectopic pregnancy to occur with you have used IVF. I had an ectopic, but it was when I got pregnant naturally. She is correct about the shoulder pain; however, I had just had shoulder surgery (on my right shoulder) and the ectopic was on the right side, so I kept thinking my pain was due to the shoulder surgery - weird coincidence. I ended up having my tube rip and being rushed to emergency surgery. Another thing they use to indicate an ectopic is the HCG not doubling. I think my HCG only went up 30 in two days, but they just thought I was m/cing. Anyway... I wouldn't even worry about an ectopic. 120 is a great number. I will be praying for a double for your next one.
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1/5/2010 12:18 PM
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Hi everyone! Thank you so much for the well wishes and support. I can't tell you how great it is to be able to talk to others who are going through the same thing!! Well, my first beta was 120...which my doctor said was a good start. So I will go for my next beta tomorrow morning. My stomach has felt a little off for the last couple of days, but I have been trying not to get my hopes up. Especially since I've already had one miscarriage. Hopefully tomorrow's beta will come back higher...then I'll have my third one next week. Plus one of the nurses at my doctor's office advised me to be aware of radiating pain to my shoulder, which would be a symtom of an ectopic pregnancy. Just great...one more worry to add to the list!!
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1/4/2010 10:10 PM
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ash42 - I got night sweats, too, but don't remember which med causes it.
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1/4/2010 10:06 PM
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Let me just say that I have no regrets doing IVF. I've always dreamed of having children and will figure out a way to accomplish my dreams.
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1/4/2010 10:03 PM
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Cristeen7 - I'm wondering if my eggs are too old and that a young donor's eggs would solve our problems. It just seems so weird because I'll get some good embryos, I'll get pregnant, beta numbers rise and at least double like they should, progesterone levels good. . . and then I'll miscarry, I just can't seem to make it to seeing the heartbeat. UHG! I'm so sad and tired of crying. This IVF stuff is so hard and emotional. I have a follow up dr's appt next week and hope to schedule the genetic testing (I wonder if insurance covers this) and to get some information on donor eggs. I am going through University Hospitals and love my drs. They are wonderful. Please let us know your test results.
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1/4/2010 9:59 PM
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Hey everyone.
Christeen, I am so sorry!
I understand everyones financial struggles too. We are 100% out of pocket plus the cost of PGD which is 4-5K. Fortunately my parents have offered to help us out. They said they wanted to invest in their grandchildren. I figure one day hopefully we'll be able to pay them back. We also did the credit card that deducts $ from your paycheck before taxes for medical costs. So that helps a little. Maybe you can see if you or your DH's company offers something like that. I've also realized that everyone that works at the fertility center has gone through IVF. If all else fails, try to get a job at a clinic, I'm sure you must get a good discount.
I started my stim on 1/1, even with an FSH level of 12, I go tomorrow morning for my US and blood work. I REALLY HOPE they don't cancel my cycle! UGH!!! I don't know if I mentioned this last time, but I am having night sweats. Anyone else have this happen? Hopefully I'll get some answers tomorrow... good answers!
Wishing everyone well! Lots of Baby dust and prayers!!!
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1/4/2010 9:51 PM
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Thanks everyone again for your support. We are definitely going the DE route. Like someone said, there is really no point in wasting more $$$ on drugs for my stimulation..it's obviously not going to work. Going into this, I knew this was a huge possibilty. My mom went through menopause at 37 so deep down I almost expected this. I have been researching and you can do DE with just the egg and your SO's sperm which is what we will do. I'm a little confused about if we have to use an agency to secure the donor..some of their fees are high. I'm hoping to get more insight at my appt with the RE. I am really going to explore the shared cycle idea. I only really want 1 more child (twins would be great too) so if a donor stims for 8 or 10 good eggs, there should certainly be enough to go around. I would be willing to compromise on the donor's characteristics,etc. The younger women just stimulate much bettter and there wouldn't be such a concern of a chromosomal issue because the egg would be young. I'm feeling okay..just drained physically and emotionally but I know we're not out of the game yet. Ladybug, we are using the Cleveland Clinic and would definitely be interested in a shared cycle. I'm sorry about everything you've been going through..I feel sad but can't imagine how you are feeling...Stay strong!! Hoping..I'm thinking of you..hang in there!
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1/4/2010 9:19 PM
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Hoping2- try to relax, it is all in God's hands. Enjoy the pregnancy and every moment. I would think if your dr was concerned he would have told you. All the worrying isn't good for the baby either. Hang in there.
Cristeen7 - I live in OH (Cleveland area), too. I've done 2 IVF's and got pregnant both times and m/c'd both times. I also had one IVF (in between the other 2 IVF cycles) cancelled and flipped to an IUI but it was unsuccessful. I recently miscarried (last week) with the last IVF try (transfer in November) and depending on how the test results on the fetus come back and the genetic testing me and my husband are going to do next month, we are considering DE (I'd definitely be interested in looking into the shared process if it is less expensive) or adoption. I will be 39 at the end of the month. I miscarried back in February due to an extra chromosome 15 (which is random but caused by age). If this recent m/c is due to the same chromosome issue, I don't think I will spend any more money with IVF and my own eggs. Though I do have one embryo on ice, but I'm not sure of the chances of the thaw being successful. Good luck with your beta test today. I wish you the best!
Does anyone know about the success rates of frozen embryos and their thawing? Also, with DE, is it donor embryos or donor eggs? Just wondering if with the shared process we could use donor eggs and my DH's spermies. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Good luck to all!
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1/4/2010 5:09 PM
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Me again ladies.... my doc's office just called and they said the doc was not concerned with my progesterone number, but for my piece of mind they are increasing my progesterone shot by .5. I am going crazy today (can you tell by all the postings). I am certain that my doc will be so happy when I finally get released to my OB. I email him (and call the nurse) all the time.
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1/4/2010 4:59 PM
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Ladies - I am freaking out here.... I just got my progesterone number and it was 18.3. Why is it going down? My numbers have been all over the place: 12/21 - 19.1, 12/23 - 24.9, 12/28 - 22.4 & 1/4 - 18.3. Has anyone else had these low numbers? My HCG was so great and I was finally starting to breath. Now my progesterone is low. I am so worried. I have left a message with my doctor's office. Hopefully they call me back soon.
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1/4/2010 3:26 PM
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Cristeen - I am so sorry to hear your sad news today. I have been there and it is heartbreaking. I know nothing I say can take away the disappointment that you feel, but my mantra throughout this whole process has been "I am grateful that I live in an age where modern medicine can give me options" Also, know that with donor egg your chances of achieving pregnancy go way up!! You may experience some mourning, but I can tell you from experience, when they show you the embryos (before they transfer) you will think of them immediately as "yours" Also, I have gotten pregnant twice from donor, I feel that my last pregnancy (ended in m/c) and this current one is "my" baby in every way. I love this baby! Please keep us posted on your journey. If you have any questions for me regarding donor, I am happy to share my experiences.
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1/4/2010 3:11 PM
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Ash - I am sorry to hear of your struggles. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about high FSH. My issues are that I am 39 and when I tried fertility meds I only produced 3 follicles, so I had (chose) to use donor follicles. I m/c’d my with first IVF in October. I had my 2nd on December 10th. So far I am pregnant, but my HCG numbers are not quite doubling, so I wait... When do you go back for the u/s and blood work?
Cristeen - I completely understand your situation. I am 39 and have gone through several IUI's and one attempt at IVF (with my own follicles), which got cancelled because I only produced 3 follicles. We decided to save the money and move forward with donor egg. We maxed out a credit card, maxed out a line of credit and charged quite a bit on another credit card. We certainly did not have the money for this, but the way I figure is "it will get paid off eventually". This way of thinking keeps me from stressing about the overwhelming finances of it all. My first attempt with donor egg ended in m/c (Oct.). We again had to use a credit card to pay for the frozen transfer (although considerable less than the fresh cycle). I had that transfer in December. So far, I am pregnant and have my first u/s on Wednesday. My advice is, if you don't have issues with using donor, then don't spend any more money trying with your own follicles. Use the money towards the donor. Also, do not feel guilty about wanting this child. My SO has three daughters (24, 22 and 19) and 2 granddaughters (3 1/2 & 8 months). I have one son (16); however we do not have any children together. We have been together for 14 years and I always knew I wanted more children. I waited too long. I went back to school at got my bachelors’ and masters and was waiting until school was over. We started trying while I was taking my final class (back in 2007). I hate to say this, but in my case, I want this baby more than my SO does. It's not that he doesn't want the baby. It's just that if it didn't happen, I would be heartbroken and he would be okay. Keep trying to achieve your dream. It WILL happen and you WILL find a way to deal with the finances. How did things go today at your appointment?
Mablackie - Sounds like you are very lucky with your insurance coverage. I had no coverage what-so-ever. Everything has been out of pocket. I have been stressing so much about getting pregnant that I have paid little attention to the finances of it all (that's my SO job)
Summer - Welcome. Everyone on this site can relate to your feelings today. It is like torture waiting for results. Just to share my recent experience... I got pregnant through IVF in Oct and was getting dizzy and my boobs were extremely sore and then I ended up m/c'ing right away. I did another round of IVF in December and got pregnant again. I am 6 1/2 weeks now and have my first u/s on Wednesday. I have had NO symptoms. My boobs are not sore; I am not nauseous at all. The only thing I have noticed is I feel kind of floaty sometimes (lightheaded), almost like I am buzzed (although we know I am not drinking). A few sharp pains in the groan area and sometimes it aches (but seriously this has been very little). Symptoms are not a sure sign of being pregnant. You could very well be pregnant. Did you POAS (pee on a stick)? If not, you are really good. My Doctor's office told me not to do that. The first time around I didn't do it, but this last time I could not help myself. Please update us when your numbers come in. I will hope for a BFP (Big Fat Positive).
Wannabe - What an exciting day for you tomorrow. It's crazy the things they do now. My son is 16 and when I had an u/s (eons ago), they didn't even give you videos. All I got was a picture. Now they are doing full scans - wow!! Do tell the details when you are done.
As for me... After my beta came back kind of low last Monday, I couldn't take the worry anymore, so I asked my doc if I could take another blood test today. He agreed. The nurse just called with my number. My beta was 10,437 today! I am so relieved. This is how my numbers have gone: 12/21 - 253, 12/23 - 331, 12/28 - 1083 & 1/4 - 10,437. At this point they said the numbers can't tell them anything, so I wait until the u/s on Wednesday. The only other worry I have is last Monday my progesterone had gone down from 24 to 22. Those numbers will not be in until later today. I really hope they went up. The crummy part is that my numbers will not come in until after the doc office has closed, so if anything looks weird I have to wait until tomorrow to talk with them about it. I have to say, that today is the first day in weeks that I am not feeling so much worry.
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1/4/2010 3:11 PM
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As I suspected, I got cancelled. It feels terrible but I didn't sleep for 5 sec last night preparing myself for this. You always hope when they start with that probe, something miraculous has happened. It has been a long day..the driving into Clev was stressful as there is alot of snow falling. I had 2 follies-1 at 12mm and the other at 19mm. That's it! The RE wants to meet with us in person but, of course, she has no appts until the 29th. I'm sure she wants to tell me in person that my ovaries are shot!! I have started checking into egg donor agencies already. I know he is too.
Welcome and good luck to Summer...hoping you get that BFP!
WannaBe..you have to be so excited to see those little ones in detail...congrats and thanks for your reply!
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1/4/2010 12:11 PM
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Hi Summer...welcome! Good luck with your first Beta test today. As always, we'll all be hoping you get a BFP. Yes, the waiting never gets any easier!
Snowie, so glad you are back. I am sure God is working hard to help you find a way to make another cycle happen. Wish I had some meds left over but just don't have hardly anything. Think I have 4 Ganerelix but not sure of their expiration date. I'll check if you need them.
Cristeen....I understand your frustration. I didn't suffer from high FSH but just older eggs and it is so maddening at each ultrasound. I believe it was Toni on this site who did DE with a "shared risk" type of program. There are several out there all over the country. I'm on another site specifically focused on DE and have seen that many women use this type of program to help with costs. After 3 IVF attempts on my own, we switched to DE and I'm now almost 22 wks with twins. Good luck to you!
For those of you that were wondering when it's OK to tell everyone about your pregnancy, my OB said that most miscarriages due to chromosomal issues happen by 9-10 weeks. It is generally safe to tell after that. By week 13 (the end of the first trimester) your chances of having a miscarriage go down by 65%. It's challenging because we as IVF patients find out so much earlier than normal pregnancies. I began telling everyone around 12 weeks.
I go in tomorrow for my babies full anatomy scan. It is supposed to take about 45-60 min. of u/s per baby so will be a long appt. They measure everything to make sure all is on track, all 4 chambers of the heart are there, kidneys are working, etc. Should be an exciting appt. to see everything.
New Year, new beginnings for all of us! Good luck to everyone!
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1/4/2010 9:26 AM
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Hi there. I have just completed my first IVF cycle and I had my first beta test this moring and am waiting for the results. Very nervous! I don't feel pregnant...but I previously went through several IUI cycles, and thought I was pregnant then. So, who knows! I wonder if taking all the medications during an IVF cycle throws your "normal" cycle off...therefore as a result, I have no idea what's going on. I had one miscarriage last year...so I'm extra nervous because of that. If this blood test is positive, I've been told that I will have two more to take to ensure that my beta levels continue to rise. I don't know about anyone else, but this is the most excrutiating experience!!
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1/4/2010 7:12 AM
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Cristeen- I know EXACTLY how you feel. I see that same look in my DH eyes too. And I feel really bad that this didnt work for us. Fresh or frozen. So if you find out anything about that shared donor thing let me know. I am trying to find anyway that it would be cheaper for us so that may be the route we have to take. You can email me directly at wantingababy@gmail.com. goodl uck at your appointment today.
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1/4/2010 4:36 AM
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Hey ladies...thanks for your replies. Snowie, so glad you're back. You are always so great to talk to. It is 430am and my appt is at 730 this morning..day 5 of stims starting day 6 after this mornings injection. I'm full of anxiety. I just know I'm going to get bad news. I don't feel half as bloated as I did last time with my 3 little follies!! Have been researching the egg donor thing. The shared donor is a great idea!!!! I have been looking around online for programs in OH. Have emailed a few. Maybe all hope isn't lost. But we would have to do some major raising of the funds!! I still feel selfish thinking about using all of our resources on this when I have three beautiful healthy kids...the emotions are hard. I kow my DH wants to be a father(2nd marriage) to his own child even as great as he is to mine. I can see it in his eyes whenever there is a baby or small child around. I'm not ready to quit...
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1/3/2010 11:23 AM
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Cristeen- one of the ladies on here did a shared cycle. (I dont know if thats what its called ) but the way I understood it was they got donor eggs from someone who was also going through IVF and then they split the eggs between each other. I am trying to find out more about this but have been unsuccessful. But that is an option since you pay out of pocket. I totally understand how you feel we are 100% out of pocket and we are almost maxed on or cc. DH doesnt want to use them again b/c we need to keep them for an emergency. so we are looking into other financing options while we wait for our follow up with the doctor. I am just going to flat out ask if there is any way he can give us a discount on a fresh cycle. Cant hurt to ask. I mean he know i am an easy patient. I stimmed ok. I got 10 eggs retrieved, 8 fertilized without any ICSI and 4 made it to a beautiful blast. And both times I technically got pregnant. The first time blighted ovum and second a chemical but pregnant none the less so heres hoping.
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1/3/2010 8:29 AM
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Cristeen,
I am so sorry you are going through all of this. Most of us on this site have been there. Don't give up hope!
Talk to your doctor's office about finances. Most offices have donated meds that you can get. I just donated a bunch of medication to my doctor's office. They said that they would give it to someone who's insurance didn't cover it. I woudl also post something on this website. HOnestly, tell everyone what meds you are on and what you need. I bet you'll find someone willing to help out. I am lucky in that I live in MA and I have pretty damn good insurance, especially perscription coverage. I paid less then $1,000 for all of my meds and I went through 3 failed IUI's and 1 IVF. There have to be more girls out there who have good insurance that can help you out!
I"m sure you've all ready done this, but if you or your SO has insurance, call both companies. My company offers 3 different insurance companies for coverage. 2 of them give you a $15,000 life time max for infertility (that does not include perscriptions). so after 1 year, I swithced to a new company so that I could get another $15,000 since I used up the first $15,000 in less then a year. Call around and ask questions!
Good luck to everyone trying. I think 2010 will be a good year for all of us. Hang in there!
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1/2/2010 7:06 PM
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Happy New Year everyone!!! Hope everyone is feeling okay whereever you are in this process. I started follistim on Wed 12-30-It's my 2nd cycle. Went in this morning feeling optimistic for my monitoring appt. My area around my ovaries has been crampy and I've been feeling twinges. The tech took about 2 sec to scan me( I knew that couldn't be good). I had to wait unitl after 2 for results and then they didn't call until after 3. My SO and I were already discussing an egg donor on the ride home because I'm afraid I'll get cancelled again! The results after 3 days of stims were 2 follies 1-17mm and 1-11mm. My estradiol is 177. Doesn't feel too promising to me!! I've been crying off and on all afternoon. I continue follistim and add ganarelix tonight and have another sono on monday. We had to stop at the pharmacy to get a few more days of meds to carry us until Monday. Our credit card for this stuff is maxed and now we are dipping into our paychecks..925.00 gets us to Monday. I know everyone here knows what I'm feeling...at 39 I finally have a wonderful SO that I want to raise a child with and it sure feels like it won't happen! What would be the next step if I'm cancelled again? Is there another protocol or is only DE left for us? I have absolutely no qualms about DE but I really think financially, it's impossible for us. THis stinks!!! I am trying to remain grateful,however. I know alot of you have been through much worse. All of you inspire me with your strength and perserverance! THanks for listening!
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1/2/2010 6:19 PM
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Hey everyone! So happy to hear all your good news! And I'm still praying that others get good news too, after all it's a new year!
Snowie - Welcome back! I just started my 2nd cycle yesterday, so I will let you know if I end up having any meds to donate to you. Hopefully I do! I am paying out of pocket for everything as well, so I understand. My clinic donated some to us, that others had donated to them, which was a huge help!
Unfortunately, prior to starting my doctor called saying my FSH was high this time at 12. Less than a year ago it was only 4. He said their cut off for doing an IVF cycle was 14, but because mine was 12 I could start the meds but they might have to cancel my cycle depending on my US and blood work next week.
Does anyone know anything about the affects of FSH on IVF success? I looked up stuff on the internet of course. I have a genetic disease, so we are doing PGD (preimplantation genetic diagnosis) to avoid passing it on. Last cycle only 4 out of 18 made it to the day 5 transfer and only 1 was healthy (unaffected with the disease). I miscarried very early. So we need lots of good quality eggs!
My doctor said it was up to us whether we wanted to start the meds with possibility of canceling cycle or wait until next month and see what my FSH was. I read that you are only as fertile as your highest FSH level though, so we started the meds. I am only 30, so I think an FSH level of 12 is really high. I have also been having night sweats. Has anyone else experienced this?
Hoping2B - A dysgenetic pregnancy is a pregnancy that has a genetic mutation.
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1/2/2010 4:14 PM
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mablackie - I have heard the same as you... once you see the heartbeat the chance of m/c goes down; however, I am not sure if this applies to us IVF ladies who see the heartbeat much sooner than others. I am going to go by my doctor’s lead. I think I will ask when the chances of m/c go down and then tell people then. The only people that know at this point are my mother and my son. We haven’t even told my SO parents, but then again, they don't even know we have been trying for over 2 years. My SO mentioned something to them about 1 1/2 years ago. Asking how they would feel to be grandparents again and of course they thought one of his daughters was pregnant. He said "no"... me, I am thinking of having another. They have never asked ANYTHING since then. If it were me, I would wait until you go to the OB appointment. Once everything is good, then I would start telling everyone then. It's not that far away. I really have wanted to tell some people already, but I am still having a hard tie believing it myself. I still don't "feel" pregnant. I can't wait to go in on Wednesday and see that everything is okay. That will be a big sigh of relief.
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1/2/2010 8:03 AM
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Ladybug, I am so sorry for your loss. I really think it will happen for you! Don't give up hope! Keep us informed on the testing. You are in my thoughts and prayers!
Hoping and Movan and all of the other ladies, I am wondering when to tell people too. We've told our immediate family and a few close friends, but that is it. Our parents are bugging us wondering when they can tell the rest of the family and thier frineds.
Doesn't the chance of miscarrage go down significanly once you've seen the heartbeat? We have had 2 ultrasounds where we've seen the heartbeats. We go to our OB a week from Tuesday. I'll be 10 weeks then. We are thinking that if things go well, then we'll tell people then. Do yuo think that is too early? I know that many women don't say anything until they are 12 to 13 weeks, but most of those girls are not IVF. Many of them have not even had an ultrasound yet. All they have done is hear the heartrate on that Doppler thing by 12 weeks. So I can see why they wait. I had a friend who went in for her 10 week appointment (her first doctor's appointment) and they did not find a heartbeat. She was told then that she had a miscarriage. When they did the D & C, she found out she had a molar pregnancy. If she would have had her HCG levels tested or an early ultrasound, they would have known from the beginning that the pregnancy was never viable.
Let me know what you all think.
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