11/22/2010 2:04 PM
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Addis- I am so sorry. I have also sent you an email but wanted to make sure you know we are all thinking of you. This is a situation that is very hard to take as I know personally I experienced the same thing after my first (fresh) IVF. God bless you I pray for emotional healing for you.
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11/22/2010 1:53 PM
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Hello ladies,
With a heavy heart I am writing to you today and sharing with you the result of my US today. They weren't able to see a heartbeat and upon measuring the yolk it is consistent with a 6 weeks only and not 7. So they say they don't know when exactly it implanted that for lesser measure. The doctor wasn't optomistic when he didn't see a heart beat and he said he will do another sono Monday next week to confirm either way. I am just so down now and can't share this with anyone at the office except writing to u...thanks God my tears are inside of me...Praying for blessing, thankful that we got the gift of having a positive pregnancy for those few weeks. Best of luck for everyone and don't want to cast any bad vibes for the 2ww period ladies....
Best always,
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11/22/2010 1:53 PM
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Babies4us: yes, i had a day 5 transfer. that's all they offered at my dr. how's your wait been going? today's my first day out of bed so I'm pretty excited to do stuff but my mind is all over the place. i keep thinking...what was that? is that a good sign? I'm going a little crazy. We did 3 IUI's before this and every time I was convinced I was pregnant and then wasn't. so, I'm trying to think positively but not get tooooo excited. It's so hard. Luckily we have Thanksgiving to distract us!
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11/21/2010 8:09 PM
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well girls I am just like a kid at Christmas waiting on my application to get here for the compassionate care program. i cannot wait! hopefully it will be here monday. good luck to those in the 2ww. baby dust!
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11/20/2010 11:50 PM
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Hi Trying - My best embryo was graded BC - and we think that's the one which is growing! My other was a CC - so I would say that two BB's give you a very good chance! Good luck
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11/20/2010 8:39 PM
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Hi Trying, our clinic doesn't grade embryos that way so I am not sure what that means, but that is great news you transferred two and had some to freeze. So in case you didn't know, I am also in the 2ww, my blood test can be done on the 28th, I had a day 3 transfer, I am assuming yours was a day 5? I am hoping and praying for you!! Stay rested and let your husband wait on you hand a foot!!
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11/20/2010 6:46 PM
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Hey,
Our transfer went really well on Friday. We had two embroys that were good enough to transfer so we did them both. They were BB quality. Any of you preggos get pregnant with BB quality? Or is that something specific to my doctor? They said none of the other embryos were good enough to freeze but they'd keep an eye on them to see if they got bigger. Then they called today and said three made it to BB quality and we can freeze them! So, that's great. I feel like I don't understand any of this but I'll take it.
I'm just sitting around on day two of bed rest. I don't know how I'm going to make it to Nov. 30th for when I find out if I'm pregnant!!!
Good luck to everyone.
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11/20/2010 2:52 PM
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Husbands are tricky! I think they really do try to sympathize with us, but let's face it, they are men! They don't know the right time to bring things up or exactly how to say them. That's why you have us on here!!
I was also wondering if any of you ladies that are pregnant right now have endometriosis?
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11/20/2010 10:12 AM
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Snowie, I didn't read all of the posts before sending my prior post. Glad to hear compassionate care is legitimate. I hope you qualify for it.
As far as the sisters posting about their DH's, they can be difficult, I know but I don't think the understand how much carrying/having a baby means to us. I think it is a little different for the women than the guys and I think they process this whole scenario differently.
Ok, gotta run. Off to breakfast and then Target.
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11/20/2010 10:01 AM
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Snowie - yes, I have heard of the compassionate care program. My cousin told me about it. I think I looked it up on the internet and I don't qualify for it. Do they provide a phone number to call? Or is there a tab (on their website) to click on for questions? Maybe reach out to them that way first before divulging your personal info through the internet. Best wishes always.
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11/19/2010 4:42 PM
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Hi Snowie, Firstly - I sympathise with your situation with your children - My cousin is in exactly the same position!! She moved from Arizona to California with her husband, and her two daughters have stayed behind with their dad / her ex-husband, to finish up the school year. I have talked to her a lot about this and she finds it SO desperately hard not to be with them - Sometimes our circimstances make life very tough! In terms of your DH - it sounds like he is just very worried about failing again and the impact on you - Which I think is actually very normal! I know men don't always pick the best timing to start on about things!! especially when you've obviously made plans to do another cycle and you are mentally ready - a positive outlook is really important. My DH has been pretty amazing through it all - but that being said, he sure has had his moments!!! We decided we would go into IVF committed to doing three cycles - We got through this first one ok - though it was very stressful because I only made four eggs and only two even fertillized. When we went for our day three transfer, we didn't even know if either embryo had survived to be put back in! Amazingly they both did - so we found out it was great news and both were transfered. When we got home that day I went straight to bed to relax - Obviously all the worrying from the previous 2 weeks had caught up with my DH as he got really upset and started yelling 'I NEVER want to go through this again - it's just too stressful!' I could have screamed, but I just said - I really understand why you're so upset after this last week, but this is NOT the time to be saying this to me - I don't want to be upset while I've got these two embryo's have just been put in me!!!! Talk about terrible timing!
Anyhow - he calmed down, pretty fast, and as soon as we saw the first miracle positive pregnancy test he was already saying - 'ok - so we could do IVF again if we want to have a sibling for this baby!!'
I guess what i'm saying is I kind of understand why DH's sometimes have wobbles about the whole process - maybe it's harder for guys to go through something that is so out of our control. That being said, it sounds like you have made big steps with your new RE, to do everything you can to give yourselves the best chance of success this time, so maybe you should focus on that part - the things you do have control of - when talking to your DH. Good luck!!!
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11/19/2010 2:38 PM
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Ok this is where we go to vent and this is what I need to do. So a little back ground. My husband and I just recently moved to Indianapolis from Panama City Fl. WHY go to the cold you ask well his company was closing their branch in PC and it meant either lose his job or they offered to transfer him. So relocate is what we did. However most of you know I have children from a previous marriage. Well they wanted to stay behind and finish the school year so they are staying at their dads. Now I knew this was going to be a hard move BUT I had NO idea how hard it would actually be. I mean I left EVERY thing I had ever known as an adult. My friends, my family , and most of all my kids! I know they will be here in a few months and we web chat almost nightly and talk on the phone. Blah Blah Blah i have heard it all todays technology makes it easier etc!!! But the first month we were her I cried more than I EVER thought I could. So finally recovering and the one thing thats helping is looking forward to our new cycle with a new RE. Well last night while telling my DH that I may have found a way to help with the cost of this cycle with the free meds. He turns to me and says "are you sure you are ready for another cycle already?!" ALREADY yes I have been ready for months!!! So I say yes and he says well you said you were ready to move here to and you got all depressed and I don't know whats going to happen if we fail at this cycle. Now I know he's most concerned with my mental health as each time we fail at this IF stuff I fall deeper into a black hole and it takes longer to recover. But why is he already dooming our cycle before we even start it?! I think we have a GRET shot of it working since our RE is doing extra testing and making sure all of our ducks are in a row! He says he just doesn't want one of his first memorable moments in this new city to be the time we failed at yet another IVF! I just keep thinking what about when we succeed? Why is this not crossing his mind? I have no doubt we will go forward with this cycle as planned so why does he always have to drag me down during the planning and the getting there part? I mean I obsess daily about IVF , the protocol etc but I try not to bring him into my world unless its REALLY good news or something he hasn't already heard. B/c I know I can talk his ear off about some of this well ok all of it so I have been trying to do my obsessing in private but he's driving me crazy. Do (or have) any of you had to deal with this? Or is my DH just special LOL. Love some input girls. Thanks for listening!
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11/19/2010 11:41 AM
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I have confirmed with my doctor they are for real. It is called the commpasionate care program and they will give you free meds for ONE cycle if you qualify. Its a lifetime max of one cycle. And its only certain meds but it is quite a deal if you qualify ....I am waiting on my application to come in the mail now. EXCITED!!!
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11/19/2010 11:23 AM
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Praying - I believe the medics you took to prep you for the embies has that result. I am so sorry about the negative result but you didn't elaborate how many you put back and did you froze some and going to go thru another round. I am praying for you...best of luck. and don't give up on trying and it will happen sometime soon.
Snowie - As for the compassionate care program - my insurance offer it but for end of life care and such but for the medics that is the first I came across.
Thanks Newells and Tcr for the info...will try to do some walking everyday but with the cold weather I am not fond of it at all. I don't like the cold weather nor walking in the cold...I will see if I can do treadmill every other day at the club. But as Newells state why no energy and feeling tired and body feels achy... And you ladies are still on the prostogen shots right and the Estorgen pills? I am not so it is a bit weird in my case....
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11/19/2010 10:11 AM
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addis and NWells - My stomach is already sticking out - yesterday I was thinking it was crazy!! MY Doc says 20 - 30 minutes os sustained walking a day is a good idea - (no stomach excersises) so i'm going to get back on the treadmill this morning - doc says no faster than speed setting 3!
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11/19/2010 8:49 AM
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Addis- thank god you are feeling the same way- I am still crampy and my lower back hurts too at times. Yesterday I went home and had to lie down I was so exhausted, I ended up sleeping for 2 hours, then I got up ate dinner, felt crampy and icky again and just laid in bed watching Bones and CSI, which cracked me up!!! Today still don't feel right, crampy and I had a decaf pumpkin coffee and forget it the bathroom has been my friend, I probably lost 5 pounds. AND Addis it isn't weight yet it is total BLOATEDNESS, I am the same way my stomach is huge, i think it is from all the meds we were on.
Praying, I can't offer to much advice on your exact situation, but when I was on the progesterone my last 3 IVF cycles, I would get bloated, crampy and start to bleed about 5 days before my blood work, it was almost like my body knew it wasn't pregnant and even though I was on the meds it was still preparing itself for my monthly. I don't know if that helps.
Ladybug- Oh I didn't mean do genetic tests on the embies, I was just wondering how your lil embies grew in the lab. Ours didn't fair well until this last time.
Wanna- awesome article so true, brought a tear to my eye. thank you!!!
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11/19/2010 6:46 AM
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Praying - I have no advice but wanted to reach out to you so you didnt think noone was listening. Hopefully someone can offer some insight or experience. Have you talked to your doctor?
Question for all the girls! Has anyone heard of the compassionate care program? Its help with certain IVF meds but i am trying to make sure its not a rip off b/c they want lots of very personal information.
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11/18/2010 8:36 PM
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Hello all!
I just recently did IVF with donor eggs and received a BFN today. I was on BCP then Lupron then Estrace and started progesterone when donor did ER. The question I have is why would I feel kind of bloated, sore ovaries, and feel like cycle is going to start, when I have been taking the same dose of Estrace and Prog for weeks and did not start feeling this way until a few days ago? If my system was suppressed then I should not feel like cycle is starting until after I STOP taking the meds. I guess I do not understand that since I have been taking the same dose of meds all these weeks what has changed that makes it feel like cycle is going to start now? Any help would be appreciated.
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11/18/2010 7:15 PM
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Wannabe - Hello - i'm fairly new to this forum, but I have spent some time gaining inspiration, going through and reading posts from the start. Of all the people here I was most touched by your story, the unimaginable tragedy you went through, the amazing strength that you showed, your unwaivering support for others and the beautiful way that you wrote about your boys and shared their story with us. I believe you are starting a new cycle in the new year - I wish you so much love and success and baby dust for 2011. I will be praying for you.
Thanks for sharing that artilce - we've all been there and been hurt by insensitive comments, and I know i've become stronger going through this process- it moved me to tears.
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11/18/2010 6:41 PM
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Wannabe - beautiful article and true to the point...thanks for sharing and hope you are doing well..as ladybug said we miss you in the forum...stay well.
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11/18/2010 6:35 PM
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Nwells - The genetic counselors think the m/c's were just pure bad luck. They don't see any reason for genetic testing on me and my husband. As far as the embies go, I opted not to do it because it decreases the chances for implantation. I did not want to take that risk.
Wannabe - love the article. Thanks for sharing. What's new with you? You haven't posted in a while. I've missed you.
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11/18/2010 5:05 PM
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Hey girls,
Following is an article that I recently read and thought it was interesting enough to share. As we've all experienced, people never know what to say to those of us struggling with infertility. This seemed appropriate.
What Do I Think God Meant When He Gave Me Infertility?
Couples experiencing infertility often receive well-meaning but extremely insensitive "advice." We can all list the most popular ones: "Just relax and you'll get pregnant," or "Adopt and you'll get pregnant," or "Things happen for a reason," and of the most painful: from those who think they've got the goods on God's plan, "Maybe God never meant for you to have children." The sheer audacity of making a statement like that never fails to amaze me.
The same people would never walk up to someone seeking treatment for cancer and say, "Maybe God never meant for you to live." However, because I am infertile, I'm supposed to get on with my life. It's hard to understand that people can not see infertility for what it is: a disease for which I have to seek treatment. What if Jonas Salk had said to the parents of polio victims, "Maybe God meant for thousands of children to be cripples, live in an iron lung, or die." What if he'd never tried to find a cure? Who could think for a minute that that was God's plan?
What do I think God meant when He gave me infertility? I think He meant for my husband and I to grow closer, become stronger, love deeper. I think God meant for us to find the fortitude within ourselves to get up every time infertility knocks us down. I think God meant for our medical community to discover medicines, invent medical equipment, create procedures and protocols. I think God meant for us to find a cure for infertility.
No, God never meant for me not to have children. That's not my destiny; that's just a fork in the road I'm on. I've been placed on the road less traveled, and, like it or not, I'm a better person for it. Clearly, God meant for me to develop more compassion, deeper courage, and greater inner strength on this journey to resolution, and I haven't let him down. Frankly, if the truth be known, I think God has singled me out for a special treatment. I think God meant for me to build a thirst for a child so strong and so deep that when that baby is finally placed in my arms, it will the longest, coolest, most refreshing drink I've ever known...Yes, one way or another, I will have a baby...and the next time someone wants to offer me unsolicited advice I'll say, "Don't tell me what God meant when He handed me infertility. I already know."
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11/18/2010 4:24 PM
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Newells - me and you both I can't wait to see/know what is brewing in there lol really it is like living in the dark not knowing what is going on....but happy that something wonderful will be seen. I pray no disappointment for me. And my appointment is Monday morning at 9:30 a.m. I am having my niece and nephew over this weekend and friends as well so that I stay busy and not just sit around with my thoughts.
I think my gassy, bloating from the hormonal change plus the folic acid, and all vitmains that I am taking nowadays they always do that to me. another thing do you guys try to do any stomach exerisce and how is that affect. Because honestly my stomach is increasing don't know if bloating or fat or what exactly..
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11/18/2010 1:14 PM
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Ladybug- your sis in Law sounds like Meg (mine), she was always there for me, and would talk only if I wanted to. I have a really hard time talking to my sister too, because here she is trying to understand as she is watching her son and being preg w my niece, granted they are the best thing in my life but it was just hard. Also you said it you got preg yeah it was chemical and you conceived with IVF but m/c so you know it is possible so not all hope is gone. However it raises a questions for me, how were your embies? has your RE suggested genetic testing? Michael and I had it done last May, it was $720 (our insurance didn't cover it) you go through this place Councly in California they are very reasonable when it comes to payments, I think they let us wait 45 days before the even sent us the first bill. But it was just one more thing to rule out. Our Embies didn't grow well at all my first three cycles so they thought maybe there could be a genic issue. I would ask about it, if anything they can rule it out, and come up with a different protocol for you.
trc- yeah!!! wasn't it the most awesome thing in the world!!!
Addis- when do you go? I cant wait to hear how many you have in there, AND you will see the heartbeat the first time. YOu will probably be due around us, I am the 9th so I am sure you are right in that time frame. I haven't had issues yet, just when I eat I feel yucky after, all crampy, bloated and gasy. I almost don't want to eat a lot of the time. I also have issues with meat, I have to almost get prepped to eat it and talk myself into it, once I have that first bite I am ok. I am sure that all will change. I need a nap!!
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11/17/2010 10:07 PM
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Ladybug - glad you have some support. I know sometimes sisters can be werid and not in tone with you...I have the same thing somehow with my elder sister. She didn't have any problem having kids and I technically helped raise them and they are like but not mine.....she just throw stuff without thinking about it and it turns to hurt and not help... so me and my husband have been keeping this process this time close to our hearts and wouldn't share till maybe till Jan we will tell the families. Eventhough, it is hard with co-workers who kinda of know pregnant women sickness...as I have been really getting sick of some food smells of ppl.
Tcr21 -- great news and exciting to hear the heartbeat...when are u going to go to your OB..I guess you are also around end of June early July.. the calculation on the website gave estimate date of July 12..so it figures might be within that time zone end of june to mid july..
Best of luck Snowie and praying for all good stuff to come your way this time...
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11/17/2010 8:15 PM
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tcr - thank you. yes, it is difficult when you don't receive the support you really need during these difficult times. To be honest, I don't feel I can talk to my sister about all this fertility stuff. I've tried a couple of times and she just doesn't seem that interested. But when I talk to my sister-in-law she asks me all sorts of questions (but only if I open up the conversation - - she doesn't ask unless I start talking to her about this stuff first, which I think is considerate)... if I use a medical term she'll ask what it means... she has been a wonderful supporter of my and her brother's dream of trying to have a family. I mean, it isn't every day when someone will offer their uterus to make your baby's home for 9 months... and for her to actually talk with her husband about it? I mean that is support... thank goodness I have her. Unfortunately, I'm not super close with my parents so I don't really talk to my mom about all this stuff. I am so grateful I have all of you sisters here.
For those in their 2ww wait, keep busy and good luck... baby dust, baby dust, baby dust blowing your way!! Hang in there!
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11/17/2010 7:51 PM
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Thank you NWells and Babies4Us - I just got back from the Ultrasound - There was a heartbeat - there was a heartbeat!!!! and you could clearly see our little bean!!!! I'm so happy and so grateful - I was so scared before the appointment I felt sick! I'm going to stop stressing now and try to relax and enjoy -
Snowie - your new RE sounds great! very exciting and I think 2011 will be your year!
Ladybug - hope you are ok - it sounds like you have a lot of support, but so tough sometimes when people say insensitive things - especially your sister! beyond hard. My sister has been great recently, but when My DH and me first told her we were going to get a fertility evaluation she said we were overeacting and it wasn't a good idea!! I was upset that she didn't support us then - especially since she had a hard time conceiving her second child and I was already older than she was when both my nephew and neice were born and my DH and me had been ttc for well over a year way back then in 2008. Crazy! anyhow - i'll stop rambling! we are with you!
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11/17/2010 7:02 PM
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NWells - I just emailed you a few minutes ago. Feel free to email me with questions or anything else. I don't mind. It helps having other women to talk to during all this. As far as family goes, I went for a walk with my sister-in-law one day and told her about my second m/c in December. She told me that she and her husband had talked and she was willing to let me use her uterus, I got teary eyed... Oh, boy, about to ball just thinking about it and typing it now... Anyhow, I thought that was so sweet. My sister and I were talking at her husband's birthday party in August and she told me that she just doesn't think that either one of us can have kids. I HATED hearing that... granted we were both drinking (and she was probably drunk) but still... you just don't say something like that to your OWN SISTER!! ... especially when she is trying to have a baby. I know I can get pregnant, I've had 1 chemical pregnancy (the conventional way) and 2 m/c (IVF way). It kind of pisses me off that she said it out loud (vs. just keeping that thought to herself). Ok, gotta run. Glad your ultrasound went well. It must be wonderful to see/hear the baby's heart beat. You are blessed. Later.
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11/17/2010 6:53 PM
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Snowie, that is great news! We just completed an antagonist cycle also and it has been successful so far, keeping our fingers crossed. It did produce a lot more eggs compared to the traditional lupron cycle, so keep your head up, there is hope!!
tcr21, I appreciate your info aboult your cells, I just never know what is good info and bad on the internet. I hope your ultrasound went well today.
NWells, I am so glad you got to hear the baby's heartbeat!! That is so awesome. It is just crazy that pregnancy and your period have the same symptoms, I know it is early for us, but I feel good about it!!
Our RE just said no sex until the pregnancy test. But I am sure because of spotting and such there is good reason, but I guess we will find out an official sex date as we approach our blood test on the 28th!! Hang in there girls!
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11/17/2010 6:38 PM
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OMG I just got back from the most amazing doctor appointment. I LOVE the new RE!!! He spent like an hour and a half with us and was really informative. He looked over all my old RE records and TR notes and said that he would definitely want to change a few things up. Instead of the long Lupron protocol we will be doing an antagonist cycle with micro lupron. Also he is going to run the full m.c blood panel since I have had 2 IVFs that did not end up in a birth. Also I am going to have a hysteroscopy to make sure my uterine lining is not scarred from the D&C or anything else that may prevent implantation. We are going to do a 3 day instead of a 5 day transfer this time. Also going to do assisted hatching. We feel really positive about this time and hope to have lots of embryos to freeze for future babies too
Anyway so we will do our day 3 bloodwork and the m/c panel next month when I get my period then we will schedule the hysterscopy then we will be good to go. SO excited girls I WILL have a baby in 2011
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11/17/2010 6:18 PM
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addis09... I was told that it was perfectly safe from my OB and the perintologist who did my Amnio... There are plenty of nay sayers if you research it on the internet, as well as those that say it is perfectly fine... So far all is well with my little one....research them on the web, then you can make a sound decision for yourself....
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11/17/2010 3:02 PM
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Trying - If you have your transfer on Friday 19th November - they probably wouldn't do a Beta till the 30th - My first beta wasn't scheduled for 12 days after my transfer - anything sooner than that is too early. I'm guessing what they mean is that you will go in for your first beta on Nov 30th (which would be normal timing) and you will get the results on the same day - I would check with them on Friday. Good luck with the transfer and have a very relaxed weekend!
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11/17/2010 2:06 PM
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Hi everyone. thanks for all the advice. My husband and I decided to go with transfering two and I feel much better about it. It's so true. I never thought I would have the money for 1 IVF cycle but we made that happen so we can roll with the punches if we have twins. Don't get me wrong, I'd absolutely love to have twins I just had a momentary freak out about money. I went to get bloodwork today and found out that after the transfer (on Friday) they don't tell me anything until Nov. 30th! I go to get bloodwork but they don't let me know any results. Is that strange? I keep hearing you all talk about your Beta levels and things that could lead to thinking you are pregnant during this waiting time. Does anyone else's dr. not tell you what's going on during this time?
I also accidently took too much medicine last night. I"m on the craziest schedule of meds. Some are vaginal inserts, some have to be taken with food, some have to be taken with dairy specifically, some have to be taken alone with nothing else for 2 hours before or after, some are twice a day, some are split doses. It's insane. So last night I took the wrong pill at the wrong time. It turns out it's ok; I just gave myself a little more estrogen. I'm sure that will help with my raging hormones. I have two calendars of when to take what. I guess I need to set some phone alarms and start another calendar.
Hang in there everyone!!! I'll be on bed rest for three days this weekend so I'm sure I'll be posting A LOT! Thinking of you all!
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11/17/2010 1:44 PM
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tcr- I was nervous too, even though I saw lil bean on Sat, just breath everything is fine. let us know!!! it is amazing!
Originally my RE said no sex until the ultra sound, then because I was bleeding she said to hold off a little longer, but I am just wondering how long. Thank you though for the incite. I think I too am up till 10 weeks. OH and I go back to my OBGYN after 10 weeks, so i have an appointment Dec 15 with him.
Seriously I am on this forum all day
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11/17/2010 1:28 PM
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Trying - as all the sisters have advised and provided their experiences thru the process, just go with your gut feeling and the grades of embroys should be the determine factor. I beleive your RE will tell you the max they put either 4-5 depending on your age. As the older you are by their calculation the risk of triplets or 4 is less. Thru my cycles I just faced with that decision once and end up putting all 5 as I wanted to increase my chances of one or two sticking. If it meant to be it will happen, as maybe one will stick and split into two or I am not correct in that assumption? Good luck friday and God will give the strength to make the best decision no doubt.
Snowie - good luck today and looking forward to hear good news today after your meeting.
Newells - great news and exciting to see and hear the baby's heart beat. I am sure that was joyful, and are things ok and you aren't spotting anymore. Lil beans is there to stay.. As for your question I will let the ladies who has gone thru full term give their experience, but will provide input as for me we tried a couple of times during this waiting period and the last one I have some discharge that have a shade of faint red but nothing to worry about. Checked with the nurse said it might be the UI so advised to refine from activity till the sono next Monday. Yes they said I can come tomorrow if I want to but it wouldn't be worth it as they wouldn't hear the heartbeat and it isn't insurance cover. They said I shouldn't worry myself as there is no signs of anything bad is happening because I am not bleeding and not feeling anything. My husband shares their sentiments and asked me to calm and enjoy being pregnant and not to worry myself....no unnecessary doubts. I did acepunture yesterday and she is originally an OB/GYN nurse and she felt that my uetrus is enlarged and had a very good relaxing session with her. So that was helpful.
Tiff719 - are those safe to use all the time to hear babies heart beat...and you did that till the end. I will look into getting one. thanks for the tip.
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11/17/2010 1:15 PM
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NWells, its the same doppler the OB will use to listen to the babies heartbeat... You rub a little ultrasound gel on the tummy and use the wand to hear the best sound in the whole world.... My hubby had to regulate me cause I was like a heartbeat junkie, used it allllll the time... I even recorded it and it was the ringtone on my phone....
SEX.... well, my RE cut us off for the first 12 weeks due to spotting....when that ended we were VERY happy only to be restricted again after amnio due to low fluids, at 20 weeks preggo we were allowed to have some good times again until 29weeks when I had false labor... ughhhhh... I think we got to knock it out a few more times before my 34th week when I was put on permanent bedrest due to extreme low fluid... Talk to your RE and see what she/he recommends, I never stopped having sex during my first pregnancy (he wasn't IVF though) and all was well with that!
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11/17/2010 1:02 PM
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NWells - That's funny - I've been thinking about the hot weather around the due date! not fun! Plus my brother is getting married 10 days before my due date as well!! Should be interesting!
My Doc has told me NO intercourse until I reach 10 weeks!! Great huh! I guess she's being super cautious - but i'm getting fed up with it now!!
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11/17/2010 12:57 PM
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NWells - That sounds like a great Ultrasound! I'm so happy it's all going well My US is in 4 hours! I'm really nervous - The last one was 9 days ago and didn't show anything except the sac - just want to know everything's ok....
Based just on dates, my due date is July 7 - so it makes sense yours is July 9th - all the pregnancy calculators said that you add 9 months and one week from the first day of your last period - so you are actually right on target!
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11/17/2010 12:41 PM
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tiff_ 0mg that would be awesome, what do you do to hear it? I am not sure I really need to get one of those but then again two weeks with out an ultrasound and hearing lil bean. Man!!!! Thanks for explaining that all to me, I kind of figured that with IVF things are off a bit, & I heard to that IVF babies come early. Ladies who have had lil ones already did they come early? My mom keeps saying I am going to deliver in June, she is so set on it, at least I know that chance of me being late are less. July, humid hot weather and being pregnant, UGH I hate the heat normally, I am going to sit in the air conditioner from the end of june till the lil bean arrives. I love the fall and winter the most!!! you can always put layers on and get warm, when you are hot you can only take so many layers off before people look at you strange!!!!
OH and Ladies I am really sorry for this question, but those of you who on here who have been pregnant, when where you able to engage in relations with your husband again- I AM DIEING!!!!! For now I am going to have a chocolate fudge filled cupcake!!! OOOO lil bean seemed to like that suggestion, I just finished eating lunch and was feeling full and now i have a twinge of hunger again!!!!
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11/17/2010 11:57 AM
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Nwells- Im so excited for you... The dates are actually a bit off when you do IVF as compared to getting pregnant the "conventional" way....
My beta# at 14dp5dt was only 66.. that was actually quite low and I thought for sure it was doomed. But my RE explained that the longer our eggies sit in the petri dish, they get lazy.. and once they are placed into the uterus they have to "remember" what it is they are supposed to do ie: IMPLANT! RE said it can take 1 to 7 days to implant which can throw off due dates.... I was due January 16th 2010, but due to a complication, I delievered my little four pounder on Dec. 10th, 2009 (5 weeks early)... His measurements and weight indicated he was actually only 33 weeks when he was born (again those quacky crazy due date calculators were wrong)..... Per my OB, most IVF babies like to come early (Im guessing those little ones are as excited to meet the people who soooo desparetely want them as we are to meet them)....
PS...I was a extreme mess and called my RE daily just for reassurance... I finally rented a heartbeat doppler from babybeats, and being able to listen to my babies heartbeat (daily) eased soooo much anxiety....It may be something for you,, or not, just a suggestion...... Have a great holiday....
Tiff
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11/17/2010 10:30 AM
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Ok Ladies-
SO much to talk about!!! WOW!! First let me start
Yes my ultra sound was yesterday, it went good, we saw the heartbeat REALLY pronounced and we actually heard it, my husband was beside himself. Because we leave on Sat I will not have another ultrasound till 11/30th, I am not sure I will make it that long!!! It is so hard because you can't feel the baby yet. My RE is so excited and was joking that because I was there on THursday and Sat she asked if I was going have a room there, I told her I would rather just walk around with an ultra sound machine she laughed!!! She said lil bean is growing as he should and tcr my due date is July 9th? I am trying to figure out the #'s and am confused as to why that would be my due date but I guess with IVF it is different or because I went right from the Lupron treatment into the IVF it would be different. Any way we are excited and my nerves are easing each day.
Ladybug- I have heard that adopting is difficult and time consuming, Reading what your husband said I started to tear. When we didn't know where we would end up, my husband and I talked about donors, now his two brothers there was NO WAY I would have ever considered them,granted his one brother is having issues of his own right now and he and his wife are just beginning the evaluation process, but still they are just so lazy and one irks me beyond belief. But we talked about my sister donating her eggs. Michael had a hard time with that, but I thought it would be the only way that our family's genetics would continue. Well my sister and her Husband were talking to us one night and crazy enough they mentioned it as well, I was so touched and started to cry. It means so much that your Husband would consider it, and if you are ok with it as well it may be an avenue you want to explore. I even had two of my really good friends and my sister offer to carry if we needed that as well. Those are just options you don't want to think about until all your other options are exhausted. My thoughts are with you and I left my email in a few posts back, drop me an email, i would like to ask you something.
Babies4 us- cramping happens, it can be either way, I cramped every time, they are sharp quick and either on one sid or the other. My three neg times after a week the cramps would turn to waves through my abdomen meaning Mytrle would showing her ugly head, I would also bleed 5 days before my blood work. NOw implantation, about 48 hours after- and I am not sure if any one else felt this but I did, I felt a weird flutter on my second evening, it was deep inside and I was wondering what it was, I still am not sure but it could have been the embryo settling in. I would continue to do nothing and relax, keep your feet up as much as possible and try, as hard as it is not to think about it, I know it is hard when you get a cramp you wonder what is going on in there. But when you feel the urge to dwell and think about it, hop on here and write- that is what I did, once I started writing I didn't focus on it. I am with you and hoping it works for you. Believe!!!!!
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11/17/2010 10:01 AM
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Trying I am going to respond to you first- I tried reading all the other posts but just kept focusing on what I was going to say to you I couldn't concentrate on what I was reading. So here is my take, the first time we did IVF we put two back, yeah we didn't know what we would if we had twins and we almost wanted twins, you know two at once and we are done. We ended up with a BFN, so the when we went into the next one we thought well do we do two or three, in my mind I thought there is no way we could afford or handle triplets, but if that is what happened we would find away to make it work. OUr THird and 4th IVF we went with three, seriously by the time you get to 4 you are like put them all back one has got to take!!!!! Of course my RE wouldn't go more then 3, so we put the three best back and we have one lil bean growing in there. We were really prepared for twins, after 3 years you just get use to the idea, but I have to think of it in the sense that the lord gave us the one because he knows 2 start that is the best for us and I almost feel like we will not have a problem having a second. SO I guess my suggestion is don't worry about 1 2 or 3, go with your feeling that day, because it will all come down to just one attaching, my philosophy the more that go in the higher your chances of one sticking and if you end up with twins or triplets then that is what is meant to happen. I wish you luck on Friday- keep us posted!!!
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11/16/2010 9:33 PM
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Babies4Us - hello! I'm glad your DH is looking after you - sounds good to me!! I'm one of the pregos! will be 7 weeks on Thursday and have ultrasound tomorrow!!! We only had two eggs that fertilized to start with - and on our Day 3 transfer they were a 6 Cell and a 5 Cell - and we think it's the 6 Cell that implanted! I was definitely crampy - For the 3 days after transfer and before I tested positive - If I didn't POAS I would have been convinced It hadn't worked as it felt like AF was coming! Good luck Good luck - the waiting is pretty torturous!
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11/16/2010 9:25 PM
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Hello Ladybug - it seems you are at a crossroads - this journey to have a child is filled with so many decisions and sometimes it's hard to know what step to take next. I'm so glad your DH is on board with all of your options. I was so scared when I lost my tubes because my DH did not feel good about adoption - so I knew IVF would probably be our only possibility to have a child. If my DH had been on board I would have wanted to start the adoption process as well as going down the fertility treatment route again. My hopes would have been that we then might end up with an adopted child and a natural child. or at least one! Of course that's finances permitting - most of us here have already reached into the pot more than we really can afford. I wish you and your DH so much baby dust - which ever route you decide to go down.
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11/16/2010 9:09 PM
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Hey ladies, thanks again for all the information. I am feeling pretty good after my transfer, just a little tired, but resting a lot and my husband is awesome, he is cooking, cleaning, and making me do absolutely nothing, I LOVE IT!! I am feeling a little crampy at times, so I hope this is a good sign and the little embryos are implanting. Did anyone else experience this? Do you guys know how long it takes for them to implant? We did find out today that none of the rest of our embryos made it far enough to freeze, so that kind of stinks but the embryologist says that the two we put in were excellent. How many cells were the ones that you pregos transferred have? I would definitely always put in two, even if you don't think you can afford them, you will always find a way. It will be worth it. Hope everything is going well for everyone else out there!!
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11/16/2010 8:54 PM
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Trying - My first IVF fresh cycle I transferred 3 and 2 implanted, but m/c. My 2nd IVF fresh cycle I transferred 3 again and 1 implanted, but, unfortunately, it ended in m/c again. I keep having chromosome issues. I did 1 frozen ET and it did not implant. It is everyones personal preference. But it took a while to convince my DH to put back 3. But I think when he started thinking about the cost of it all, we wanted to increase our chances... however, age was also a determining factor. I will be 40 in January - UHG!! But I know I still have time :o) If you can figure out a way to pay for IVF then I could only imagine you would figure out a way to afford twins :o) Talk it through with your DH. I know it is a tough decision and we cannot tell you want to do but we can share our thoughts and experiences with you. Good luck!
NWells - was today ultra sound day ? Looking forward to hearing from you.
AFM - My DH and I attended the adoption information meeting today and I think we both came out of it a little discouraged. The process can take YEARS! Especially infant adoption which seems to be the most popular choice could take many, many years. We are unsure where to go from here. My husband has 3 brothers and actually suggested on the drive home that perhaps we ask one of them for a sperm donation and see if that works. .. Not sure how serious he is with that suggestion at this point, but I am open to suggestions. Trying IUI again came up in discussions on the ride home as well... so we are kind of out there... undecided where to turn from here. We don't want to wait to have a family, we'd like one sooner than later... I hope that doesn't sound selfish... Don't get me wrong, we would LOVE to save a child and make a child a part of our family but I guess we just aren't prepared to wait this out for years and years. I think whether you take the route of IVF or adoption they are both an emotional rollercoster... What to do...
Thanks for listening. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Later...
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11/16/2010 7:44 PM
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Liberty - Welcome - this is the right place to be for support. I'm here every day getting inspiration from the wonderful women here - and I just wish I got here sooner! For me - I am nearly 7 weeks pregnant with my first IVF - I am praying every day that this baby keeps growing! My RE helped me enormously by diagnosing my fertility problems (i had been ttc for 3 years) I have a thyroid disease and a small pituitary tumor - both these conditions were hormonally preventing me from conceiving, but were easily treated with medication! Then my first IUI resulted in an ectopic pregnancy - and consequently I lost both tubes - one from the ectopic - and the other was found to be completely bocked and not fixable. So IVF became my only option for a biological child. I am beyond amazed that our first cycle worked for us - It's really important to make sure you are completely happy with your Doc and trust their ability to find the best path to helping you have a baby. It's always a statistical and financial gamble - which treatment to go for - but it can work - then it's worth every tough fertility procedure you go through.
Trying - That's fantastic you got so many eggs fertilized! - We only had 4 mature eggs and only 2 fertilized - that's why i'm amazed i'm pregnant right now! - we had both put back in on day 3 - We had previously decided with the Doc that we would return three on day 3 or two on day 5 - Turns out we had no option as we only had 2 anyhow, but I would always put more than one in to give yourself the best possible chance at a pregnancy. Still - you need to do what feels right for you. My DH and me were fine with the idea of twins - i'm 37 in two days, and we would like more than one child so twins felt fine for us. Try not to worry and listen to your doctor as well - the embryo's will be graded. If you have a top grade embryo there is more chance of implantation from one. Good luck!!!!
NWells - did you have an ultrasound today? how did it go?
Babies4Us - I got a positive result POAS 8 days after my 3 day transfer!! (though I never tested negative because the trigger shot stayed in my system till the day before! - I only believed the test was a real positive when it started getting darker!) - Good luck!!!!
Addis - I hope you are doing ok - I really understand - this waiting part is SO stressful - I can't imagine having to wait so long for the U/S - I was supposed to have mine on Monday, but the appointment was changed till tomorrow - just those 2 extra days are making me Crazy!!!! I just want to know if my little bean is there and doing ok!!! Good luck - I hope you get the extra beta you want.
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11/16/2010 1:43 PM
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Trying - I am currently 23 weeks pregnant and we did a day 3 transfer and put back 3 embryos. This was my 1st IVF that made it to retrieval. I had another that was canceled due to low estrogen numbers. The RE said that on a day 3 she recommended putting in 3 for a day 3 transfer. Because you have a a better chance of a least one taking. We had really high betas and I think I started out with twins but one of them didn't finish implantation. All embryos are not the same so some don't continue to progress once they are in your uterus. But I thank God because the strongest one out of the 3 made it. Also if you are doing a 5 day transfer and they are at blast stage then they recommend putting in 2 of them because you have a higher rate that at lest one will take. The statistics I found were that IVF has a 33% chance of twins.
I would in all cases never risk only putting one back since you are spending so much money and you might get the one to implant. But that is just my opinion. You have to do what is right for you and your family.
Hope that information helps. Good luck!
Btobe - My RE gave my husband a long list of vitamins to take with antioxidants to improve sperm quality. You may want to ask yours about supplements. I do think it worked because on the day of my egg retrieval he had the best sperm he had ever had. So many things can effect the sperm that it is sometimes hard for doctors to determine sperm quality by only taking a few samples.
Liberty - I think you asked what the success rate of IVF was and from what I read they said that 80% of couples who do IVF will get pregnant in up to 3 tries. That is not always the case as I have found on here but that is what my RE said and what I had read in some books.
Also I think someone asked how many eggs people got on retrieval. I had 6 eggs that were all of good quality and they all fertilized but we did ICIS to improve our chances.
Welcome to the new ladies and good luck to you all!
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11/16/2010 12:02 PM
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trying- here is my thoughts on the amount to transfer. I was in the same situation as you are now. What to do?! So come transfer day we decided on only one b/c we couldnt afford twins (in our opinion) and didnt want the extra health risks. Well we got pregnant with just that one but it ended in a m.c that was a blighted ovum. Then we did a FET and we put in 2 and it ended in a chemical. So I always have in the back of my mind the What ifs. Well fast forward to today. 2 cycles plus a TR and still no baby and now going on to another fresh in Jan the cost is adding up and I keep thinking that we would have made it work with twins. So now after all we have been through we will not trnasfer less than 2 fresh cycle this time. Hoping for only one healthy baby but will be thrilled with twins because twins in my opinon are better than none at all. now that being said if you are on a shared risk program where you get multiple chances with one lump costs then be conservative and do only one if you feel comfortable with that. basically you need to weigh all the odds and then come to a decision together. Personally I wanted to do 2 the first time but DH was very head strong aboutthe cost of twins so finally I gave in to him and trust me I will regret that forever. Good luck hope my rambling helps you come to a decision :0)
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11/16/2010 11:32 AM
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Addis- my suggestion is call. call as much as you want whenever you want. i felt the same way at first. I didn't want to bother them then my friend that's a nurse reminded me that they are getting paid ALOT for this and they want you to be at ease.
AFM- my eggs are at Day 2 and they're looking good. they said i probably won't hear from them again until transfer on Friday so that's a little strange. eventhough I got good news (i guess). i'm freaking out. I'm crazy emotional and can't concentrate at work. i think it's all just hitting me. My husband and i have to make a decision about how many eggs to transfer. that's huge and there are lots of what ifs. can i afford twins? i can't quit my job. aren't there more complications that could happen with twins...premature births, birth defects, etc. I'm so confused right now and scared. what if I only choose to do one egg and then it doesn't work? o, and of course i'm supposed to remain calm and cool right now. no big deal.
anyone know the chances of two working or thougths on how many eggs to transfer?
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